Posted by: Johan Normark | December 17, 2009

2012: Prophet of nonsense #11: Jude Currivan and her suspicious title

I have not posted anything on the 2012 circus since the day before Emmerich’s disaster movie (which I have not seen yet and I think I’ll wait for the DVD). This is because I got tired of “debating” with people who apparently lack any form of education beyond high school (you know, people who have chosen not to be corrupted by the higher education – never mind that they already have been taught how to read and write and become part of that horrible mainstream world that they despise). I have decided to leave them alone most of the time but I still observe them and I will probably activate my debates now and then (particularly around December 21, 2012).

I just checked out the Swedish 2012 forum and saw a link to a Youtube clip with a woman called Jude Currivan. The 2012ers are apparently impressed by her “titles” as if this adds credibility to what she says. According to her website she “has experienced multidimensional realities and researched consciousness, perennial wisdom and metaphysics since early childhood. She holds a PhD in Archaeology researching ancient cosmologies and an Oxford University Masters Degree in Physics specializing in cosmology and quantum physics.”

Like I have said with Calleman and more recently with Hasenpflug, if you must advertise yourself with a title following your name most of the time you are probably a fraud who thinks a title can make up for all the nonsense you come up with. Calleman holds a PhD in a completely different subject than the books he sells (that is clearly to be dishonest to one’s readers). Currivan has added PhD after her name on most of the pages on her website. Now, why does she mention the university (Oxford) when it comes to her MA, but not her PhD? Where did she get her PhD? If her dissertation contains the same nonsense her website contains, it must have been a diploma mill. Maybe she got her degree from Fairfax University, like Sweden’s own Minister for Employment (Sven-Otto Littorin).

So what does she has to say about 2012 then? Well, she says that the “leaders of the Mayan people of Central America, whose ancestors devised the intricate calendar, disagree [with the apocalyptic scenario of Emmerich’s movie]. They say that whilst marking the end of an era, it is our materialistic world-view and lifestyles rather than the material world itself that may be transformed. For them and many leaders of change emerging around our planet, 2012 offers us the opportunity of a new beginning… The Mayans say the choice is ours to make.” She obviously has no clue of what the Maya say or said. She should be able to do some qualified research on this since she got a PhD. If she did she would realize that the 2012 circus has nothing to do with the Maya. It is only a gringo phenomenon.

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  1. 2012 is not a hoax and should be taken seriously. Roland Emmerich’s 2012 movie pretty much depicts what is to happen only the cause of the cataclysm in the movie is wrong. The Maya were not the only ones who knew about 2012 as most of the ancient world did up till the 1800s when the knowledge was lost. Washington DC was laid out to reflect 2012 as a reminder to visitors. Monuments carved in stone were left world wide to warn our generation of 2012. Christ taught 2012 in the Bible but few today have understood it. The ancient world understood 2012 very well; the modern world, lest of all the modern Maya, lack the correct knowledge and understanding of 2012 and are stumbling in the dark for answers. Read the non-fiction 2012 trilogy, The Ark of Millions of Years, by E. J. Clark, the most comprehensive 2012 books in the world for the correct facts. The ancient Maya said that it was the end of the true Earth or original creation in this universe. The physical Earth is not the true Earth or the original creation however, it will experience a cataclysm when it makes a 3 day transit through the “dark rift” of the Milky Way on Dec. 21-23, 2012. Furthermore, the ancient Maya said that they would not restart their long count calendar as there would no longer be a need for it on the true Earth, now located in a higher dimension or universe. Have to read the books to understand those statements. This view was shared on both sides of the continents in ancient times. In my opinion, Roland Emmerich, unknowlingly, has done a great public service in the making of his 2012 movie because he has created public awareness of this upcoming date. Read and prepare for the time is short. Thanks…..

    • Mary;

      Sorry for the late reply on this, but I have a couple of questions.

      See, I’m an amateur astronomer. I am also the publisher of 2012hoax.org. In your comment you reference a cataclysm which will occur when the earth makes a three day transit through the dark rift of the milky way.

      Now, most people, even those who predict cataclysmic events in 2012, understand that the earth is *not* going to ‘transit through the “dark rift” of the Milky Way’. The ‘dark rift’ is nothing more than clouds of dust that lay between us and the central portion of the milky way. They are thousands of light years away. The earth will not magically fly to the dark rift faster than light, and then fly through it.

      Most prophets of 2012-doom say that the *sun* will transit (not ‘pass through’) the dark rift… which is true. However, this happens every year.

      So my question is this: Is the idea that the Earth will ‘move through’ the dark rift E. J. Clark’s idea, or is that yours?

      My second question is this: What is the proposed mechanism for this cataclysmic event, given that the sun transits the dark rift every year near the solstice?

      • Sorry but have been out of the country for awhile.
        True the sun does transit the galactic equator at mid point every year but with each year the sun has been advancing closer and closer with each transit until on the winter solstice of 2012 the sun will be positioned right in the vaginal opening of the “dark rift.” It does this approximately once every 5, 125 years. When this happens on the 2012 winter solstice, it is the Sign of the Suntelia and marks the end of the Great Year of approximately 26,000 years. Many Mayan cycles of time end on that date.
        When this happens, the earth will be positioned to make a 3 day transit thru the dark rift. Earth will pass thru the magnetic axis of the supermassive spinning black hole that sits in the center of our galaxy. Its magnetic axis empties into the dark rift region. Even though earth is approximately 24,000 light years away from the center of the galaxy where the black hole is located, due to the enormous size of the supermassive black hole, the energy of the black hole magnetic axis will be like running down a couple of blocks.
        Earth has a electromagnetic force field surrounding it. When earth’s force field starts to interact with the magnetic force field of the black hole axis, it will set off a cataclysm on earth.

      • I’ll mention this to Astrogeek so he can reply.

      • Hello again;

        For some reason I am unable to reply to Mary England’s most recent post… So I am replying to my own post in order to continue this discussion. Here is Mary’s comment:

        Sorry but have been out of the country for awhile.
        True the sun does transit the galactic equator at mid point every year but with each year the sun has been advancing closer and closer with each transit until on the winter solstice of 2012 the sun will be positioned right in the vaginal opening of the “dark rift.” It does this approximately once every 5, 125 years. When this happens on the 2012 winter solstice, it is the Sign of the Suntelia and marks the end of the Great Year of approximately 26,000 years. Many Mayan cycles of time end on that date.
        When this happens, the earth will be positioned to make a 3 day transit thru the dark rift. Earth will pass thru the magnetic axis of the supermassive spinning black hole that sits in the center of our galaxy. Its magnetic axis empties into the dark rift region. Even though earth is approximately 24,000 light years away from the center of the galaxy where the black hole is located, due to the enormous size of the supermassive black hole, the energy of the black hole magnetic axis will be like running down a couple of blocks.
        Earth has a electromagnetic force field surrounding it. When earth’s force field starts to interact with the magnetic force field of the black hole axis, it will set off a cataclysm on earth.

        So, I’d like to deal with a couple of these claims.

        > True the sun does transit the galactic equator at mid point every year but with each year the sun has been advancing closer and closer with each transit until on the winter solstice of 2012 the sun will be positioned right in the vaginal opening of the “dark rift.”

        Not knowing which part of the “dark rift” you consider the ‘vaginal opening’, it is hard to address this claim. However, I can tell you that the point at which the sun crosses the line of the galactic equator was most closely aligned with the December solstice in 1998. That is when it was the closest to being centered over the galactic equator on the day of the solstice.

        I’ll invite you to take a look at this article by my friend Geoff Gaherty: http://www.starrynighteducation.com/sntimes/2008/06/#art1

        The year-to-year motion of the sun is across the equator, along the line of the ecliptic. It is not getting closer to an alignment with the galactic equator, it is getting farther away from it each year.

        Having established this, we now must address what the Mayans knew… there are some Mayanists who believe that the Mayans knew about precession. There are also some who believe that there is no evidence to support the idea that they knew about precession. In particular, archaeoastronomer Anthony Aveni appears to discount the idea that the Mayans knew of precession. The Mayans appear to have either failed to document it, or the documentation of this knowledge was lost, therefore we cannot make the claim either way.

        It is quite possible that the Mayans knew about precession, after all, the Greeks knew about precession by about 150 BC. It took several centuries after that date for the Greeks to accurately measure precession.

        So, perhaps the Mayans knew about precession, perhaps not. Do we have any evidence that the Mayans designed their long-count calendar with the ‘end date’ in mind?

        Mark Van Stone points out that the Mayans appear to have ignored solstices and equinoxes, although they certainly knew about them. http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/

        In addition, the idea that the calendar was designed to end on that date pushes the problem back to whoever the Mayans inherited the calendar from. There are some researchers who have attempted to extrapolate the most likely date of the long-count calendar’s creation, but frankly I think that is one of those questions we will never know the answer to.

        Now on to the next point:

        > It does this approximately once every 5, 125 years.

        No, that is flat out wrong. The period of the precession of the equinoxes is approximately 25,800 years. I don’t know where you get the 5,125 year period from.

        > When this happens on the 2012 winter solstice, it is the Sign of the Suntelia and marks the end of the Great Year of approximately 26,000 years.

        Well, there’s the 26,000 year period (approximate period of precession)… but why is it called “the great year” here? I’m aware of several periodic motions of the earth, sun, solar-system and galaxy, but this is the first time I’ve heard of “the great year”. Perhaps this is not an astronomical year?

        The “sign of the Suntelia” is a reference to Orobouros, and appears to have nothing to do with the Mayans, although I see several claims that this “sign” occurs on 12/21/2012… with similar evidence to your claim above.

        > Many Mayan cycles of time end on that date.

        How many? I know that the LC reaches a round number, and begins a new Baktun cycle, but are there others?

        > When this happens, the earth will be positioned to make a 3 day transit thru the dark rift.

        Hogwash. The earth will be on the opposite side of the sun from the ‘dark rift’. The ‘dark rift’ is thousands of light years away, and consists of clouds of cold dust and gas. You could make the claim that the *sun* will make an apparent transit of the dark rift, but this idea of us transiting through the dark rift is nonsense.

        > Earth will pass thru the magnetic axis of the supermassive spinning black hole that sits in the center of our galaxy.

        The magnetic axis of the supermassive black hole at Sgr A* has not been determined. It has not even been determined that it *has* a significant magnetic field. Even if there *were* a significant magnetic field, *and* the field was dipole (simple north and south), *and* the axis of this field was somehow pointed at earth, there is this little rule in astronomy and astrophysics called the ‘inverse square law’. This law says that when you move an object away from a source of energy (light, heat, magnetism, gravity) and you double the distance, you cut the energy to 1/4th of the power. When you triple the initial distance, you cut the energy to 1/9th of the power. Four times, it is 1 over 4^2 or 1/16th.

        In addition, the idea that the earth will somehow interact with the black hole on that date and no other is usually based on the supposed co-location of the black hole with the galactic plane. However, if you look back at the link above, you will note that the sun will be an apparent 5.5 degrees away from Sgr A*. That is *eleven* times its angular diameter. (the sun’s apparent angular diameter is 1/2 of a degree).

        > Its magnetic axis empties into the dark rift region. Even though earth is approximately 24,000 light years away from the center of the galaxy where the black hole is located, due to the enormous size of the supermassive black hole, the energy of the black hole magnetic axis will be like running down a couple of blocks.

        This makes no sense. How does a magnetic axis empty into a region of space? How does this have *any* effect on the earth considering the vast distances? Have you calculated the field strength required to cause any effect on the earth’s magnetic field from 24,000 light years away? The field strength of the earth ranges from 0.3 gauss near the equator to over 0.6 gauss near the magnetic poles. How large would the magnetic field of the black hole have to be to even reach that level?

        > Earth has a electromagnetic force field surrounding it. When earth’s force field starts to interact with the magnetic force field of the black hole axis, it will set off a cataclysm on earth.

        The first part of this is true. The ‘electromagnetic force field’ is called the magnetosphere. The second part of that statement is false. Sgr A* is too far away to cause any magnetic effects on the earth. The Voyager spacecraft have only recently left the heliopause (2004 and 2007) and are now headed out to try to find the bow shock before they run out of power. This means that the region of space out to 84-95 astronomical units is dominated by the magnetic field of the sun, not the black hole in Sgr A*.

        Even if Sgr A* had a significant magnetic field, it would be impossible for it to interact with earth at this vast difference.

        Even if Sgr A* had a magnetic field that *did* interact with the earth, you have still not provided a mechanism by which a ‘cataclysm’ would occur.

        I have ignored several of your claims about the Mayans, because I am not an expert on the Mayans. I’ll leave that for Johan.

        In summary: You have made claims that are unsupported by the astronomical evidence, and even run counter to the available evidence. Your knowledge of astronomy and physics is confused and suspect. You have made several claims that I cannot reconcile with even my very basic knowledge of astronomy and physics.

      • Thanks for that clarification Bill.

        I think I can answer this part:

        “> It does this approximately once every 5, 125 years.

        No, that is flat out wrong. The period of the precession of the equinoxes is approximately 25,800 years. I don’t know where you get the 5,125 year period from.”

        This is based on Jenkins idea that the long count (5125 years) times 5 equals the precession. The number five is based on Aztec mythology of 5 creations. I have a blog post on this somewhere.

  2. We have different opinions on pretty much everything. Yes, Emmerich did a good thing for us who attempt to inform people about the 2012 nonsense:

    https://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/2012-thank-you-emmerich/

  3. the armagedon will come in 2012?

  4. No, nothing will happen in 2012 apart from a lot of people getting disappointed that they were so utterly wrong.

  5. Johan, we dont know what will happen in the future. No one knows. Not you or me or anyone else. We can predict if we have data, like the weather but other then that we are in the dark and we can only speculate.

    Johan, I miss you in 2012forum, I like your comments, even if i have another opinion on that matter.

  6. You are right that we do not know what will happen in the future. However, there are some scenarios that are more realistic than others. I will sound like Dr Phil here: Best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. Ideas similar to those prevalent within the 2012 circus have been around before and they have turned out to be wrong. I guess things will repeat again with this hype.

  7. I agree with a previous person who has titled Jude Currivan as a prophet of nonsense! Infact you can see how she is getting carried away with herself when you read all her other rubbish!
    She should also get her facts straight about the gobal warming story! She is amongst the many throngs of people who choose to listen to the corrupt politicians and scientists who also lie in support of the governments to suit their own ends. The science is clear, the earth is going through another cycle as it has done before…. thats not difficult to understand …. and humans contribute a NEGLIGIBLE amount of carbondioxide! Human beings cannot affect global warming as the politicians are telling us! Yes humans can cause pollution and suffering but not even humans can cause the amount of carbondioxide evident in the atmosphere!
    The truth of this scam is clear for all who have eyes to see and ears to listen. Dont be taken in by this scaremongering story and find out the truth for yourselves! It is interesting to note that the government have chosen to ignore the scientists who are speaking the truth …. you have to ask the question …. WHY ???
    Yes people do need to wake up but the way to enlightenment is not through lies and fear.

  8. My current research is actually focusing on climate change in the past. What I can tell is that palaeoclimatological data is being used in problematic ways when people discuss the connections between past climate changes and societal changes. Whether or not people contribute to the climate change today is beyond the scope of my research. There are indeed long-term changes in climate that are not caused by humans, but there are also effects caused by people. I do not see things in black or white as I see these “camps” both follow along the traditional culture/nature divide which does not exist in my worldview. Hence, one’s standpoint always become the negation of the other’s. No problem solving can come from such dichotomized views.

  9. I have reason to believe “Mary England” is EJ Clark. I’ve seen that same copy & paste job she inserted here on numerous forums throughout the net — occasionally the “he” in the description is replaced with “I”.

    Nice try.

  10. You are probably correct. There is a link to Clark’s website (click on her name…). I will look at this prophet as well. They seem to increase in number at an exponential rate right now.

  11. Dear Johan,
    my PhD in Archaeology is from the University of Reading in the UK. Reading’s Archaeology Department is in the top tier of UK Archaeology. My supervisor was Professor Richard Bradley who is extremely well respected for his Neolithic work and my examiners for my PhD were Professor Martin Bell and Professor Ronald Hutton. My thesis entitled Walking Between Worlds: cosmology embodied in the landscape of Neolithic and Early Bronze Age Britain (2004) is available from the British Library.
    If you had contacted me regarding dissertation I would have been happy to provide the details.
    yours respectfully, Dr Jude Currivan

  12. Alright, I admit it was a bit tricky to find. Most people’s dissertations and their univeristy affiliations can easily be found by combining the name of the author and the university. That search did not give any hits.

    Still, I guess you did not write anything of your new age stuff in that dissertation? It still irritates me that you need to include your doctor title in everything you write (including your comment). To me it just appears that the goal was to get a PhD title in order to promote your new age stuff which has nothing to do with what Bradley and others are into.

    • Funny to watch how you are a perfect mirror image of any religious fundamentalist !

      • Who mentioned religious fundamentalists in this post? If I am the mirror image of religious fundamentalist I must be an atheist fundamentalist, right? I am looking forward to see your elaboration on what the fundamentals of atheism is. I have no problem with “religion” in itself, I do have problem with some of the fundamentals in various forms of it. Here I agree with Sam Harris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLiku08FlRg

  13. I agree totally with Johan Normark’s comment.
    Jude Currivan could be using her apparent qualifications and intelligence to uncover the real facts and expose the ‘truth’.
    As I said before, she is carried away by her ego and new age nonsense!
    Since I wrote my first comment about Jude Currivan’s ‘story’ there have been numerous reports in reputable newspapers and elsewhere which indicates that people are starting to wake up and question what people like Jude Currivan are saying! … and thank goodness that they are!!

  14. The 2012 circus is a forum for similar people. In 2013 we will see the same people focusing on something else.


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